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What’s up everybody? Welcome to another awesome episode of Cash Flow Dad Life. I’m your host, Ryan Enc. And I’m stoked for today’s guest. We have a special guest, Larry Hagner with us. He is the… What do you, what do you call it? Podcast, podcast host. I’m sorry, I get my words tangled up the podcast host for the Dad Edge, and the Good Dad Project and it is the number one rated podcast on itunes for dads right now.
So it’s awesome to have this decorated guest on our show…
I’ve gotten to know Larry for the past couple months or so, just a super cool dude and he’s really done something amazing and special things in the data space and in the space of accountability and just growing your network and proving yourself and all the different areas that are needed.
Being a dad, he’s the father of four boys, which is much like myself…
I got one up on him, but, you know, I don’t know if he’s a quitter or not, but we’ll see what happens in the future. Just want to make sure you can hear me. All right Larry, you there?
Larry Hagner: I’m here, man. I’m so pumped to be here, talking to you on your show and, and Gosh, gotten and gotten a chance to get to know you, work with you closely and you’re helping me, you know, even with my, you know, an investment that I’m going after…it wouldn’t be possible without you, so appreciate you man.
Ryan Enk:Awesome man. Awesome. Well, one of the things that I’ve been kind of putting off on the show talking about and, and why I thought it would be perfect to have you on as a guest is, you know, it’s more of from the mindset standpoint because real estate, it’s all, you know, strategies and skills and, but one of the things that most people overlook the most is mindset…
And one of the things that you’ve been able to create is this accountability system…
I always say with real estate that your net worth is the same as your network, so you look at the five people around you that you’re hanging out with the most and it’s one of those things where show me your friends and I’ll show you your future, you know, you look at the people that you surround yourself with and those are the people that you end up becoming.
So you have created an amazing, not just the podcast, but you’ve actually created amazing a virtual group of men. Can you tell us a little bit about how that got started and what’s become of it?
Larry Hagner: Yeah, man, thank you so much. And when it comes to mindset, so one of the reasons I started you know, Good Dad Project, that’s pretty much the umbrella organization that was in 2012. And then I started, I wrote a book in 2015 called the Data and then launch the podcast, Good Dad Project Podcast changed the name in to just this past year in 2018 to the Data Edge podcast. No reason.
Just other than that, it just felt like that’s where the brand was going, and it really resonates with men.
I think what that brand versus the good dad project, because I think men in general, once they don’t want to be a associated with a project when it comes to themselves, you know, because it insinuates that we’re constantly working on ourselves.
However the edge gives you like that maybe that x factor or it gives you those tools that other people just don’t have and to be quite honest, it’s the exact same thing. It’s just named just a bit differently. But it really came out of struggle as a father, you know, patients, work life, balance…
My marriage…I mean, I wouldn’t say everything was a total wreck, but I was living how so many other other men live, which is a quiet life of desperation where I had an okay life, but I wasn’t thriving.
I was simply surviving and you know, and now I definitely have. I have a full understanding of what it takes and, and how we build a man from all dimensions. We say this all the time. The data edge, but men tend to operate in five dimensions.
One is our health that encompasses mental, physical, spiritual, and emotional relationship with our wife, relationship with our kids, what we do for a living for significance. And you know exactly why. One of the reasons we’re talking today and then financially, those five areas are where men literally operate pretty much everywhere in their life.
What I’ve noticed is as men are usually doing pretty well in one or two and then the other two or three, they, they, they want some help. However, that’s the hardest thing for men to do. And I’ll end with this…
I always say this shout out to the hair club for men, but I always say this, I’m not only the president of the founder of… I’m also the first client in line to lean in, ask for help, ask for advice when it comes to our community.
Because I mean, there are times, I’m more aware of times where I’m not doing very good job, but there are still times where I just get in a poor mindset. And you know, act like a 12 year old, you know, and get pissed and, and start to internalize things and then isolate myself and then all of these things.
So yeah, definitely not perfect means make 100 mistakes a day. But that’s, that’s what our community is all about, is it’s a bunch of imperfect men who are trying to learn from each other…
Ryan Enk: So what do you think, I mean, that’s, that’s actually interesting that you transitioned from project to edge and I think that kind of echoes the same theme that you’re talking about now is that one of the main struggles for men is to, to when they have a problem to internalize it because they don’t want to be worked on, they don’t want to be a project, you know? Um, why do you think that is?
Larry Hagner: I think it has to do with number one, fatherhood, being a husband and financially those, those three areas, right? Those I think from what I’ve seen, those are the most fragile for men. So I don’t know about you, but I was not taught personal relationships growing up. That’s not a skillset that I learned…
I wasn’t taught personal finance growing up and I certainly wasn’t taught how to be a parent. However, those, it’s literally in our life. If you think about it, like, “Okay, you’re married, go figure it out, you know, hey, you’re a dad. Go figure it out. Oh, hey, you know, you, you now run a household, go figure out your finances.”
It’s no wonder that those three areas are a total mess for us because it’s the least amount of training that we get. Think about the plethora of resources out there for our health. Think about the plethora of resources out there for our businesses, you know, and coaching…
…And what I found is that men are pretty willing to raise their hand and be like, “Hey, I need some help with my health. I need to lose some weight. I need to do this. And you do that. And they’re also really they’re the first to step in line and be like, “How do I be more efficient? How do I be more profitable?” Which is, I mean, you see that all the time…
But when it comes to being like a father when it comes to managing my own personal finances, when it comes to the relationship with my wife, hey man, that those three are very, very sacred to me. They’re very intimate to me.
I’m certainly not going to talk about them because I don’t want anyone to have to see that everything in my life is not good and fine and good…
But there’s parts of me that are struggling with that, you know, and I think that’s what every guy really, really sees really feels and you know, that that’s something that we openly talk about in the alliance and our mastermind on a podcast is like, “Hey, how do we thrive? How do we really thrive in those three areas and how do we have better conversations around it? Yeah, no, that’s awesome…”
I did the thing that always surprises me about most men whenever you get new groups and sometimes when you’re not in these groups, you’re not in this accountability network…
I think most men struggle with feeling like a failure. Even the most successful, even the most successful men, you know, because there’s always one area that needs to be worked on, but they kind of get internalized and so it’s amazing to have these networks was the first thing you realize is, “Hey, there’s other people that feel the same way, you know?”
…Yeah. And more than, you know. So like anytime a guy comes and joins us in the alliance, I, I’d do one on one call with them to get to know him. And exactly what you and I are talking about right now is what every guy that I speak to fields and I always ask them the same thing. Do you feel alone in this mindset? Like, do you feel like you’re the only one struggling?
Nine out of 10 times. Yeah. I feel like I’m alone. I was like, well, let me rest assured your mind right now. You are the major city. You are not the minority. Every call that I’m on, men are talking about the same thing. And just knowing that, like when, when I get on a call with a guy and then them hearing just that alone, they’re like, it’s like a breath of fresh air.
They’re like, “Wow, really?” So I’m, I’m really not the only one feeling this way? Like I kind of thought I wasn’t, but no one’s really talking about it…
Ryan Enk: Right, right.
Then in there, most men struggle with that…
So you started the podcast first, right? And you started just kind of, uh, you know, to go along with your own journey of self discovery?
It’s a really a how do I thrive in all those three areas of my life? How do I have it all, you know, instead of just doing one thing. Okay. And then failing at other things.
How did that morph into the alliance? How did that come about?
Larry Hagner: That’s a really good question. When I first started the blog in 2013 and then when I started, you know, I wrote a book and the funny thing is, is that I found that I really did not like writing, you know, it was like I enjoyed it, but I tend to obsess about it in a way to where like I had to be perfect for me to publish it and that kind of thing.
And it took a lot of work and a lot of it, it drained me a little bit. Now I will. Now speaking on the other hand is totally different. That’s where I feel that’s my sweet spot. That’s where I can thrive. Uh, that’s where I feel like we have better organic conversation.
So I was like, man, like what if I just podcast instead of wrote all this stuff? And so that’s what I did….
And then 2016, I joined my first mastermind with Aaron Walker who owns view from the top. A lot of people know who he is and I really wanted some direction on like, well, where do I want to take this mission? Because at the time it was never meant to really be full time, but I was like, well, where do I want it to go? And uh, you know, I saw what he was doing and I really liked it and he was doing it more for, I would say men to be better men and business owners and that kind of thing.
But I was like, “Well, what if I took this and created a, a mastermind community for men to have these discussions around these five dimensions that we talk about?
And I did it in a very structured, organized fashion, but also very unstructured to where men also had the freedom to talk about what they want to talk about. And then that’s where the idea for the alliance came from. And when I first started it, it was local here in 2016.
So what I found was, is I got together with about 20 guys, uh, every, every three weeks for three months. And what I found was, is for men to get in their car, drive somewhere, sit down for a few hours and mastermind over things.
It just wasn’t sustainable because we’re busy, busy people have virtual mastermind is much more suited for the busy father because we, they can do it on the go, they can do it from their phone, from their ipad, from their laptops, and it gives them flexibility, it gives them structure and it gives them community to have these conversations.
But that’s really how it morphed was like how do I, how do I address these problem areas for men and where they want to thrive. Like, what do I do? Do I write another book, do I create online courses? Do I. and were men really thrive? Is that, yeah, we’d like to read and we take online courses, but we’re really thrive as the conversations.
So that’s really where that came from…
Ryan Enk: That’s, that’s spectacular. So this is, this is something that, uh, it just kinda from your first mission, you just try to figure out the best way to fulfill it and you’ve done some pretty incredible things in that group of people in that group have done some pretty incredible things. It’s, it’s bearing good fruit. Can you share with us some of the things that people are getting from this, uh, from this alliance?
Larry Hagner: Yeah. So let’s talk about each, each dimension and I can do it pretty quickly. So health wise we have a, we have a lot of guys who are like, Hey, I just need some accountability around making better choices with my nutrition. I’m busy. I don’t have time to meal prep, I don’t have time to workout. Like how can I make my time count?
We joke about it all the time is like how much weight has the alliance last because we keep, we group those men together, you know, who want that accountability within, you know, so like we, we group these guys together, they take photos of them in the gym, they take photos of their food, they, you know, they post their weight loss progress and all that. And we’ve had guys like lose…
We have one guy named Adrian Bradfield who’s lost over 100, 20 pounds all the way to guys losing five pounds, you know.
So we, there’s been a ton of weight lost as seeing the before and after picture…
By the way, those are, those are pretty spectacular to look at. Some of them you’re just like, wow, this is pretty incredible. And plus I, I, I have teamed up with Alex Van Houghton who’s defining the dad bod as long as well as Adrian, Adrian Chavez and Chris Hughes who run driven dad. And those guys have helped out a ton.
There definitely are experts when it comes to marriage. I mean I’ve seen, we’ve seen men with divorce papers on the desk of lawyers and they’ve been able to work things out. Everything, everything between like, “Hey, I wish my wife and I communicated, had more sex, all the way to the point to where like the relationship is at the end and relationships are now thriving.”
As far as connections with kids go, uh, we’ve been able to help men and keep them accountable to doing epic experiences with their kids that, that are associated with connection.
Ryan Enk: So like for instance, if you feel that you’re drifting from your teenager and you know, how do, how do I reconnect with that teenager? What are the questions that I ask? What, what are the activities that I do, what does that look like for me and how can I, how can I be accountable to it, right?
Larry Hagner: It’s one thing to be like, “Hey, I want to, I want a better relationship with my 13 year old daughter,” and really understand what do I need to do to do that. So you know, it, it comes from… it turns from a desire into what am I going to do? And then we keep men accountable.
Where’s the fortnight recovery process like, Jeez man, don’t even get me started on my kids or being ostracized in their school right now because I think they’re the only kids that don’t play for it and night. But, um, actually my, my 12 year old almost got in a fight with a kid because he was like, dude, fortnight makes you dumber. Okay.
So he almost got beat up for that. But, uh, you know, the other thing too is so, you know, jobs, a lot of men are going to work for a paycheck and that’s maybe one of the reasons you and I are even talking is a what type of work can I do that makes me come alive and, and most importantly, what problems and value can I solve from, for our clients.
And we’ve seen men completely leave their industries and go do something that they love and be successful and profitable at it. And then the final thing is we’ve had men come to our community and we’ve got some financial experts that are a part of it that have helped them.
I’ve helped them as well where they’ve come in just buried in debt and the stress has overcome their them in their marriage and their wife and they’re posting like huge…
When I just paid off my $12,000 balance on my credit card and I did it in four months. I mean, just things like that. You’re like, wow, that’s pretty cool. So yeah, that, those are the successes we’re seeing.
Ryan Enk: That’s amazing. Man. You, you really have done something spectacular. Thank you so much for just living that mission and not only taking it to heart, but really going out there and take an action on it. I think that’s one of the most important things and you’re affecting a lot of men and their lives, so I appreciate you for doing that.
Larry Hagner: Oh Man. You know, it’s to be honest. I mean I have to give thanks right back to you. I mean, because you know, you’re from a finance standpoint and doing something that you love, those two areas and obviously being a father of five boys yourself, you’re, you’re helping people do those same things. You know, you’re taking these, these people who are living lives that they just, you know, financially and professionally, I don’t want to live anymore.
And to create something that you really, really enjoy and to do it right and to do it in a smart passive way, man, you’re doing phenomenal work yourself and you’ve truly have helped me personally and professionally real estate wise as well. So I appreciate that.
Ryan Enk: Thanks man. You’re, you’re on the verge of your, uh, your next deal with real estate, right?
Larry Hagner: Yeah. And you have helped me a all the way through it.
Ryan Enk: I mean, so I didn’t pay him to say this by the way…
Larry Hagner: No, no, he didn’t. Actually, I…
Ryan Enk: His face is turning red…
Larry Hagner:But no, you have helped me at, you know, I, I sent you, you know, uh, basically, uh, an outline of what the deal is looking at. You gave me some tips on negotiation.
You, you’ve shared with me what the rate of return was, if I paid certain prices for it, um, the taxes, the insurance, the whole nine yards. And then you even gave me a draft of the letter of intent that I used to purchase the property. So man, it’s just been, it’s exciting because to me that was a world of complete and total overwhelm.
And to be honest, I didn’t feel like I really had the time to learn about it because man, there’s a lot to learn and having you help me and guide me and plus being on the podcast and just being available for questions. It was just a game changer, so thank you for that.
Larry Hagner: And I will, as soon as that deal is done, I’m going to send you, uh, the, the cashflow dad life first deal done award. But, uh, before, before the podcast started, Larry was actually, for those of you guys watching this on youtube, maybe he’ll lift it up for you to see it on the screen, but uh, he was sharing with me this shield that somebody had sent just like this amazing bad ass yield. And it’s like a…How big would you say that thing is?
I’ll grab it here if my. Hang on, let me grab it. So this thing, this thing is just ginormous. I guess one of his fans sent them this and uh, it’s, it’s like a true, for those of you just listening to the podcast, it’s like a captain America Shield.
Look at that thing. Just gigantic. That thing is gorgeous. See, you know, the, it’s not light either, but I’m thinking I needed to change my first deal done award to something like that little humongous shield that’ll help people with, uh, with their, with their, you know, workout programs, just taking that thing up on a daily basis.
Larry Hagner: Yeah. I don’t think it weighs too much. It’s just, is so wide. It’s like three feet, you know, radiates radius and it, it probably goes about 20 pounds or so. So it’s just very awkward to hold up. So yeah, shout out to captain America and his strength.
Ryan Enk: Truly amazing, truly amazing. All right, well listen guys, um, if you’re interested in, in what Larry has, I’m part of that program, um, and it, it really is amazing the results that you’re seeing guys, uh, that they’re able to achieve. And again, I want to reiterate, you know, you look at the five people, who would you say are the five people that are closest around you? And a lot of people, you’re, you’re rooted, you’re rooted to your existing community.
And uh, you may not have everybody that’s like minded. Even in your community, if you’re the kind of person where you want to improve yourself, you know the way you do, one thing is the way you do all things so you improve your health, you’re going to start improving your finances, you improve your finances, you’re going to start improving your marriage, you know, because you’re the number one problem. Marriages, finances is one of those things that are cyclical…
If you can get into a network of people that are all looking to improve all the facets of their life simultaneously, that is an amazing, uh, that will do amazing things in your life. So I’m so checkout, I think there’s a free group on, on Facebook, right? Larry?
Larry Hagner: Yeah, there is. There is called, “Dad Edge:real dads with purpose.” So that’s our big free group. We have about 12,000 guys who are a part of that. So yeah, if you want a taste of what we do just from like a conversation on facebook standpoint, that’s a great place to start because the guys there like we were, were pretty die hard as far as integrity and character and kind of our code.
So you know, if you’re posting cat videos you’ll be removed if you post like, you know, your network marketing business, you will be removed. So we always tell men to stay relevant, stay respectful. And the other thing too is like, you know, if a guy has the courage to bring up like, “Hey, my wife and I are having some issues and we haven’t had sex and we had, we’re not talking and if a guy tells him to man up grow set of balls and tell his wife he needs to get laid,” then that is the wrong guy.
And we removed guys like that. So yeah, it’s, it’s a high integrity. It’s a fun group. We have a lot fun there, but we have real conversations about this type of stuff. So, uh, if you want to be a part of that, you can definitely send you a link or you can project search Dad Edge: real dads would purpose on facebook.
It’ll probably come right up….
Ryan Enk: Definitely. Uh, definitely a cool, cool community. Awesome. Well thank you so much for being a guest on my show today, Larry. You’re, you’re doing some amazing things, man. Keep it up, you know.
Larry Hagner: Thank you, man.
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